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Interesting cot concept
Liz
2012-04-11 17:32:38 UTC
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Ran into this looking for something else... not sure they will reach funding to actually make this product. Was wondering if anyone knew of anything else that was similar and light weight.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992916508/nyxtm-lightweight-cot-chair-take-comfort-wherever?ref=card

Thanks,
Liz
Ralph Oborn
2012-04-11 20:23:04 UTC
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I wonder what the weight and price is?
Hammocks aould be lighter and cheaper (I make my own for my scouts)
In cold weather it would sleep cold (no loft underneath (like a
hammock)) so you would also still need a pad
I have seen others

http://www.luxurylite.com/
http://www.cabelas.com/cots-cabelas-lightweight-cot.shtml $39.

The sit function is interesting but not worth lots of cash or weight


Of course "hike your own hike" and everything is IMHO :]

Enjoy

Ralph
Post by Liz
Ran into this looking for something else... not sure they will reach funding to actually make this product. Was wondering if anyone knew of anything else that was similar and light weight.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992916508/nyxtm-lightweight-cot-chair-take-comfort-wherever?ref=card
Thanks,
Liz
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Dennis Phelan
2012-04-11 20:28:10 UTC
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if you see their FAQ's one is how much does it weigh? 2.5 lbs Not exactly
UL.
Post by Ralph Oborn
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I wonder what the weight and price is?
Hammocks aould be lighter and cheaper (I make my own for my scouts)
In cold weather it would sleep cold (no loft underneath (like a
hammock)) so you would also still need a pad
I have seen others
http://www.luxurylite.com/
http://www.cabelas.com/cots-cabelas-lightweight-cot.shtml $39.
The sit function is interesting but not worth lots of cash or weight
Of course "hike your own hike" and everything is IMHO :]
Enjoy
Ralph
Post by Liz
Ran into this looking for something else... not sure they will reach
funding to actually make this product. Was wondering if anyone knew of
anything else that was similar and light weight.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992916508/nyxtm-lightweight-cot-chair-take-comfort-wherever?ref=card
Post by Liz
Thanks,
Liz
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Liz
2012-04-11 21:04:12 UTC
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THe luxurylite in the link that one is almost 3 pounds and the other one is definitely car camping at almost 11 pounds.

Oh well in my failed quest for the 5 pound mobile home... LOL When I used to work for Outward Bound and was in Scotland one summer (rained sometime in each 24 hour period for 92 days in a row) I got really sick of wet tents and wet everything else. Sleeping up off the ground a smidgen appealed to me.

Liz
Post by Dennis Phelan
if you see their FAQ's one is how much does it weigh? 2.5 lbs Not exactly
UL.
Post by Ralph Oborn
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I wonder what the weight and price is?
Hammocks aould be lighter and cheaper (I make my own for my scouts)
In cold weather it would sleep cold (no loft underneath (like a
hammock)) so you would also still need a pad
I have seen others
http://www.luxurylite.com/
http://www.cabelas.com/cots-cabelas-lightweight-cot.shtml $39.
The sit function is interesting but not worth lots of cash or weight
Of course "hike your own hike" and everything is IMHO :]
Enjoy
Ralph
Post by Liz
Ran into this looking for something else... not sure they will reach
funding to actually make this product. Was wondering if anyone knew of
anything else that was similar and light weight.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992916508/nyxtm-lightweight-cot-chair-take-comfort-wherever?ref=card
Post by Liz
Thanks,
Liz
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Ralph Oborn
2012-04-12 14:10:46 UTC
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Sleeping up off the ground a smidgen appealed to me.
Post by Liz
Liz
Consider the hammock with a good tarp,

I've been using a Hennessy Hammock for years now, with a tarp I've
always been dry.
My scouts in home made hammocks are always dry, those in tents are always wet.

And as I pointed out to one of my scout dads, since I'm the leader,
there will always be trees where I choose to camp, but there may not
be a level rock free spot for his tent.

There is a way to sleep almost level in a hammock, ( I often sleep on my side)

Ralph
Post by Liz
THe luxurylite in the link that one is almost 3 pounds and the other one is definitely car camping at almost 11 pounds.
Oh well in my failed quest for the 5 pound mobile home... LOL When I used to work for Outward Bound and was in Scotland one summer (rained sometime in each 24 hour period for 92 days in a row) I got really sick of wet tents and wet everything else. Sleeping up off the ground a smidgen appealed to me.
Liz
if you see their FAQ's one is how much does it weigh?  2.5 lbs  Not exactly
UL.
Post by Ralph Oborn
**
I wonder what the weight and price is?
Hammocks aould be lighter and cheaper (I make my own for my scouts)
In cold weather it would sleep cold (no loft underneath (like a
hammock)) so you would also still need a pad
I have seen others
http://www.luxurylite.com/
http://www.cabelas.com/cots-cabelas-lightweight-cot.shtml $39.
The sit function is interesting but not worth lots of cash or weight
Of course "hike your own hike" and everything is IMHO :]
Enjoy
Ralph
Post by Liz
Ran into this looking for something else... not sure they will reach
funding to actually make this product. Was wondering if anyone knew of
anything else that was similar and light weight.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992916508/nyxtm-lightweight-cot-chair-take-comfort-wherever?ref=card
Post by Liz
Thanks,
Liz
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hutt_10asea
2012-04-12 19:32:23 UTC
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Post by Liz
Ran into this looking for something else... not sure they will reach funding to actually make this product. Was wondering if anyone knew of anything else that was similar and light weight.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992916508/nyxtm-lightweight-cot-chair-take-comfort-wherever?ref=card
Thanks,
Liz
I think this would be great for car camping light. I travel in a small car and would love a cot this small. If you consider you wouldn't need a ground cloth or pad, it would be nice for soggy weather and it might be the one luxury item I'd consider. That would be light--not UL, of course.
Rosaleen Sullivan
2012-04-13 13:18:54 UTC
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And as I pointed out to one of my scout dads, since I'm the leader,
there will always be trees where I choose to camp, but there may not
be a level rock free spot for his tent.
Ahh, Ralph! You DO crack me up! Keep it coming, Invisible Friend! Hammocks can provide bug-free, off-the-ground, comfortable sleeping, as well as a seat. For yet another take on a chair-back-cot combo, look at the Chair-e-it. http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~geist/Philmont/Chair-e-it.pdf That is, IF you can open it. I get a blank page, which could be a problem on my end. This Scouter made some modifications to a purchased camp chair so that it could open flat as a cot, adjust to the original design to be used as a chair, or reconfigured to carry his gear. He used commonly available hardware to attach shoulder straps and there were instructions to make shoulder straps and maybe a hip belt. I hope the plans are not lost. I think the cot would be too narrow to be comfortable for sleeping, but if the ground were to be very wet, I MIGHT want to try it. Definitely, the cot configuration would take some finagling. I observed that a lot of one Florida crowd carried the Sling Light chairs. There are no rocks to sit on there and lots of chiggers under the palmettos, a principle place to find some the shade. I think downed trees are even more likely to be bug-riddled than those in the north. Their solution is to carry a Sling Light chair. http://slinglight.com/sl/ I'm not happy with the idea of carrying a chair because of the weight, but if I were in a place where I couldn't easily hang a hammock, I'd consider this chair incorporated into a carrying system. Cheers! Rosaleen Rosaleen Re: Interesting cot concept
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Date: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:10 am ((PDT))

Sleeping up off the ground a smidgen appealed to me.
Liz
Consider the hammock with a good tarp,

I've been using a Hennessy Hammock for years now, with a tarp I've
always been dry.
My scouts in home made hammocks are always dry, those in tents are always wet.

And as I pointed out to one of my scout dads, since I'm the leader,
there will always be trees where I choose to camp, but there may not
be a level rock free spot for his tent.

There is a way to sleep almost level in a hammock, ( I often sleep on my side)

Ralph
Cara Lin Bridgman
2012-04-13 16:03:46 UTC
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I sleep each night in a hammock at home. The thing is, to use a hammock
when hiking, you really have to arrange the trip differently. It's more
than just a mental adjustment in perspective. Ralph, as the leader,
gets to choose hammock spots. I may be the leader, in that the trip is
so I can collect data, but I'm rarely the one choosing the camping spots.

So, the biggest drawback I've found for using a hammock on hiking trips
is I'm not the one choosing the camping spots. My husband is tent
oriented. Sometimes, we have a guide and he is tarp oriented (he likes
cooking over an open fire, too). Not only that, but all trail and route
descriptions (used by my husband) and all memories (used by the guide)
are based on traveling from tent site to tent site. Trying to adjust
the trip to accommodate a hammock can get complicated (and this is
without considering the fact some nights will be in the sub-alpine zone
where trees are rare). My husband and guides, being much more familiar
with Taiwan's trails, are in charge of route planning. If I'm the only
one in a hammock, then I'm going to be at least 10 m away from everyone
else and usually 50-100 m away. Also, I like the bedtime chats that
come with sharing a tent with my husband.

If we did focus on identifying spots suitable for a hammock, then
they're not going to be suitable for a tent. Almost all the hikes I've
been on since I started paying attention to camping hammocks have decent
hammock camp sites, but very few would have had a suitable tent spot
within talking distance. In some areas, any camping spot not at the
shelter would have been illegal (i.e. in places where everyone is
supposed to use shelters). In this last case, I really wouldn't mind
being illegal because I, at least, would get a good nights sleep! The
problem is, legal or illegal, decent hang locations can be as much as
several hundred meters uphill from or below the shelters or tent sites
(so much for evening chats with my husband).

That said, we have had a problem in that many of our hikes have been
along disused logging roads. The process of creating the roads makes it
hard to find decent places to hang. I've had to do some real climbing
and add extra lengths of rope to set up hangs that cross the road.
Better places for the hang would be 10-30 m off the road, but in Taiwan
everything is so steep we do everything on the road: camp, cook,
cat-holes. Admittedly, the tents don't have it much easier. Even after
years of disuse, the rock rubble of the roads is usually so compacted
that it's often impossible to drive a stake. We usually scavenge for
large rocks to hold stakes (always a landslide nearby). On these roads,
tents also have a problem with flooding--if they're planted in the route
the water will take when it starts raining.

The next biggest drawback is weight. If my husband is already carrying
a tent ... then the lightest option for me is to carry a quilt and
sleeping mat. I've crunched the numbers. Actually, though, I end up
carrying tent, quilt, and both sleeping mats (large neo-airs) and he
carries most of the food. If I could ensure he carried the tent and his
sleeping mat AND most of the food... well, quilt and sleeping mat would
still be the lightest option for me.

The third problem is temperature. I'm cold any time it goes below 12*C.
I'm especially cold in the evenings. This mean that to stay warm in
the hammock requires more gear and that entails more weight. When the
temperatures drop below 5*C, it's like I can't get the underquilt
adjusted correctly. It is adjusted correctly, as I find when we return
to lower elevations, it's just me that won't warm up. In these
situations, I can feel warmth radiating back from my quilt, but not from
my underquilt. Also, if I carry a quilt instead of a sleeping mat, then
I've not got a 'ground' option for times when it's just impossible to
set up a hang (sub-alpine zone--whether Taiwan actually has an alpine
zone is rather hotly debated).

My husband agrees that I sleep better in a hammock. Sleeping well is
really important for being functional during the day. So we're still
trying to figure out our options. On the other hand, a lighter pack is
also important for being functional during the day. Right now, it has
really come down to the numbers: weight.

I've had a little of the same trouble when traveling: how to keep using
the hammock. I built a hammock frame at my in-laws, so that's sorted.
At my parents, I bought a US$25.00 folding hammock frame (from Target)
that I can also take on road-trips. This frame will only support a
7-foot hammock, making it on the short side, even for me (but it still
works better than beds and tatami). The problem is what to do when
visiting other relatives in Taiwan and when flying into hotel-stays.
None of these places will have ways to support a hammock (I can see
weird bondage questions coming up if rooms were equipped for
hammocks...). To get some sleep in these places, I've coped by using
my large neo-air and lots and lots of pillows (and sometimes my small
neo-air). Fortunately, lightweight backpacking isn't just for
backpacking: the neo-airs and my quilt very easily fit into my carry-on.

CL
who has come to realize that life is really just a long camping trip.
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